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Louis Hazard
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Joined: 11 months ago
Posts: 6
13/01/2020 1:56 am  

I know one of the things folks have been asking for is some sort of readable User's Guide. 

Would anyone here be interested in working with me to come up with a free-to-give-away basic guide? I've never done this, but have time available to work on this. (I am retired.) Jennifer is providing many great short videos. I'd like to do the same for some sort of pdf user guide, at least until someone more proficient in Photopia is able to come up with a fuller, more complete and "authorized" one. (Or if someone is already working on this, let me know if I can be of any help.)

I'm not looking for any kind of compensation for doing this. I simply want to support a program I believe is only going to get better. I'm looking to put together a very basic guide to help folks get up and going. Hopefully it could become something where it would be easy to add future sections and updates to. 

If you don't have time to work on such a project, anyone who has worked on such things in the past, would you be willing to offer ideas on how to proceed?

I may be biting off more than I can chew, but I'd like to give it a go.

Thanks for considering the idea,

Louis


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Robert Homes
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13/01/2020 1:49 pm  

Louis, I'd like to work with you on a User Guide! Let me know . . .

Robert Homes

rohomes@gmail.com


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Louis Hazard
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Joined: 11 months ago
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30/01/2020 2:29 am  

Sorry I seem to have dropped this. I had to put such things on hold due to the need to have a workup on some medical issues. Nothing serious - at least in terms of terminal - but I will need to be making some radical changes in my daily health regimen. Until I see how such changes affect my ability to focus on a project such as this, I have to put such things on the back burner for the time being. Sorry.

 

Louis


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Robert Love
(@bobllove)
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Joined: 5 months ago
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27/05/2020 3:16 am  

Hello, I just joined Photopia from ProShow. You have a wonderful, commendable idea. ProShow had a wonderful tech support,  and a huge downloadable manual. I couldn't believe that Photopia had no such thing. The videos are okay, but no comparison to written guide. I am still struggling with protozoa; I can't get the hang of it even though the similarities to ProShow are uncanny. What in many cases Photopia considers are an improvement over ProShow, I personally consider a step backwards. I wouldn't be negative at all with Photopia if they would have had a manual, and I'll bet there are a bunch of other people like me. Anyway, to the point. I don't know where you are now with the manual because your posts were a long time ago. I would be happy to help with this project,  but I'd only be a liability without the manual. But I'd love to hear of your progress, but if you discontinued it in frustration I'd certainly understand. I have decent writing skills. The problem with most manuals that come with products is that they assign their developers and techies to write them, and while they have total knowledge of the product they have such poor writing skills that the manual is crap. if YOU were to write even a simple manual, it would be awesome, most helpful, most appreciated by us users. I would think that Photopia would bend over backward to help, support, encourage you. But it doesn't look like that is happening. But, anyway, I hope that you do take on this noble venture! 


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Robert McMurray
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Joined: 12 months ago
Posts: 243
27/05/2020 10:14 pm  

@bobllove

It has been 6 months and not a hint of a manual so I don't think they are concerned about the lack of one. 

Bob McMurray
Jersey Shore


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Louis Hazard
(@lahazard)
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Joined: 11 months ago
Posts: 6
28/05/2020 2:15 am  

Besides eating a lot of crow over the past six months, I've been dealing with some health issues. Bit off more than I could chew when I started out wanting to put a manual together.  Physically, as well as mentally, not able to focus for a long enough time to come up with a usable rough draft. Should have spoken up earlier, but keep telling myself I'll get it together. It's not happening, so I need to admit it and move on.

Once I started to get beyond the basics of converting old Proshow files to Photopia, I realized what others where trying to tell me many months ago. They were right, I was wrong. Trying to be too positive led me to overlook the weaknesses of the program. Still subscribe. Still working with it. But now feel the lack of a manual, from those who created the program, is one of the biggest weaknesses.

Sorry again for not being able to follow thru with my desire to come up with a user guide.

 

Louis


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Robert Love
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Joined: 5 months ago
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28/05/2020 3:44 pm  

Such a pity. They just don't get it. On the one hand most of their videos are fairly decent. But they don't realize how pitifully sparse they are. ProShow had a huge online manual; any time I ran across any subject, there would be an explanation for it. Now my Photopia just sits on the computer neglected because I went back to ProShow. I don't think the glitz of Photopia is worth it because so much of the advanced stuff is just not apparent. They think that Photopia is so superior to ProShow; without instructions they are sadly delusional.


Joshua
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02/06/2020 6:44 am  

@bobllove

We definitely understand that Photopia Creator / Director need a solid manual.  There are a lot of great features in both programs, even some things that couldn't be done in ProShow, and we need to get documentation released to cover the product for people at all skill levels.  It's just that simple.  We've seen some unfortunate setbacks with this project but it's something we continue to work on and hope to see released... at least before we get to version two.  8)


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Hope Creighton
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Joined: 5 months ago
Posts: 2
02/06/2020 2:24 pm  

I, too, am longing for a guide book/manual like Photodex had. What a wonderful program that was! I miss Producer terribly and every time I try to open it a dialog box shows up saying the program is not responding and it automatically closes. I can't even use it anymore even knowing there will be no support. Zippo! Nothing! Is this true for everyone that it's unusable or is it my computer?


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Stuart Mathison
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Joined: 6 months ago
Posts: 1
07/09/2020 3:00 am  

IMHO, all development work at Photopia should stop until good User Manuals are available for Creator and Director.  With a few people working on this it should not take more than a couple of months.  They can start with the ProShow User Manuals, for structuring the chapters.  Since there are so many similarities, it should be a trivial exercise to produce manuals for Creator and Director.  My wife was a technical writer and would prepare technical manuals such as the ProShow manuals in a few months of effort.  And that was 30 years ago, without today's "screen capture" and other tech writing capabilities.  The video tutorials are good, but too few, and grossly incomplete.  I manage the photo essay program at a camera club.  Over the last 15 years, hundreds of our members were able to learn ProShow quickly by following the manual.  The first few chapters enables a new user to prepare a good essay and learn the basic features.  The subsequent chapters can be read and/or used for reference for advanced features.  The lack of Photopia User Manuals will inhibit many ProShow users from converting/upgrading to Photopia in the near future.  They will continue to use their old ProShow software as long as it continues to work properly.  Photopia is making a poor business decision by not assigning priority to User Manuals !!


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